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Hello fellow anons. i hope you are enjoying the truly free medium of intellectual exchange and connectivity known as the internet, because as you are reading this, i do not know how much longer these things will apply to our internet. what am i referring to you ask? well, to put it as simply as possible...

there is a international copyright treaty being proposed and set up in secret, that will end our free internet as we know it. this treaty does a handful of horrible things...

first off, this will impose a "three strikes and your out" type of policy. where if you were to merely get "accused" three times of copyright infringement from anybody regarding anything, you and everybody using your IP would have their internet service shut off forever...

secondly, this would force ISP's around the globe to police and monitor the web at their own legal liability. so they would have to break net neutrality by spying upon their customers internet usage. and since most websites are user-generated based, ISP's would not be able to keep up with monitoring the mountains of data uploaded daily to sites like youtube, facebook, rapidshare, piratebay, twitter, etc etc....even independent blogs! so the outcome of this would be the ISP's blocking most user-generated content based sites to their customers, to save their own necks. and if not that then they would most certainly be censored and/or shut down by governments and entertainment lobbyist organizations.

finally, this treaty would give police new powers to be able to confiscate your electronic devices at state and national borders, without your consent or a warrant. and if they were to find any copyrighted content on your device they could do whatever with it, and send you the bill for copyright infringement! one last thing, this treaty would also enforce mandatory punishments on breaking electronic content's DRM, regardless of the excuse.

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now this evil treaty is known by the name of ACTA, or "Anti-Counterfeit Trade Agreement". and for the sake of our precious free internet, it must be stopped. the internet is arguably the most amazing, wonderful, invention man has come up with in modern times. dont let these greedy bastards ruin it....
here is a link to a news article that you can use to read up on acta and inform your friends & family;


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and also our chat



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>> No.9804   [Delete]   [Edit]

To be fair, copyright infringement is kinda illegal. Are you fighting to keep on getting away with breaking the law or to prevent the collateral that comes as a side-effect of a new law of this scale?

>> No.9809   [Delete]   [Edit]

Is there a petition or can we write our Senator or something?

Cause sitting around and bitching won't get anything done.

>> No.9814   [Delete]   [Edit]

i stopped reading halfway in the first line. I'm too dumb for internet politicy stugg. But i laughed at OP's pic.

>> No.9815   [Delete]   [Edit]

Something like this is an affront to freedom of speech and should be fought no matter what.

>> No.9822   [Delete]   [Edit]

the copyright infringement thing, I'm alright for that, AS LONG AS COMPANIES ARE WILLING TO LOWER DOWN PRICES.

but for the second and third paragraphs? I raged hard. Especially on the invasion of privacy thing. +1 OP. you have my support.

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oh fuck.

some one go there and IRL ban these fools.

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this anon knows what he's talking about... this treaty must be stopped at all costs... otherwise the greedy jews of sony and faggots will own our internet.

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Not this bullshit again...

If so many people are currently doing that sorta thing, the whole idea would be pointless anyway. Which is just what it is. I don't even think a three strike policy would work when so many keep on pirating. I mean, why take the internet from 50% of the population when the internet happens to be so well-grinded into today's society?

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this thread is interesting and original

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The actual document was released last year by Wikileaks. http://wikileaks.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_US_ACTA_plurilateral_intellectual_property_trade_agreement_%282007%29 This is old news.

> first off, this will impose a "three strikes and your out" type of policy.

Not mentioned anywhere.

> [The ACTA proposition] would force ISP's around the globe to police and monitor the web at their own legal liability...

Actually, it mentions "safeguards for ISPs from liability." Your prediction of Youtube and other large sites getting blocked is not very likely. Net neutrality is an important issue, but it is not threatened by the ACTA.

> if they were to find any copyrighted content on your device they could do whatever with it, and send you the bill for copyright infringement

Searching through the vast potpourri of people's media storage devices for copyrighted material would be impractical. If the assumption were simply made that any copyrighted material stored on the device was illegal, I can almost guarantee it would be shot down by the Supreme Court as a Constitutional infringement.

> this treaty would also enforce mandatory punishments on breaking electronic content's DRM, regardless of the excuse.

The proposition does vaguely mention "remedies" against DRM circumvention, but more likely law enforcement would target the purchasing of modchips, jailbreakers, and the such overseas, making them harder and riskier to acquire.

The most annoying part of this proposition is the mention of copyright holders receiving insufficient compensation for infringements due to not being able to assess the "full extent of damage" caused by violations. There have been successful lawsuits for ridiculous sums of money over only a few 128kbit MP3s shared on crappy networks like Kazaa. I think they have no trouble mathematically projecting damages to the absolute unrealistically maximum extent. There is also is the mention of the ambiguous "[a]uthority to order ex parte searches." Indeed, searches in America cannot be ordered without a warrant, and the document does not specify whose authority that privilege would be.

Despite the proposition's name, topics regarding counterfeiting in third world countries are vaguely left as "measures" to be taken and would be difficult to enforce or implement. In the third world, piracy is rampant and contributes to economic livelihood because legitimately imported media from developed nations would simply be too expensive to import and sell in those poorer markets.

My primary concern is that intellectual property infringements, along with things like kiddie porn and terrorism, are all too easily used as a scapegoat for implementing laws that are in certain groups' interests without really addressing the issues.

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>> No.9829   [Delete]   [Edit]

It costs the same amount to produce a piece of information, such as a book or a computer program, whether only a few people have access to it or whether everyone does.

If there is any productive worth to a piece of information, then the economy is more productive if everyone has access to it.

People can vote against copyright just by boycotting copyrighted content and only funding the production of copyright-free content and/or producing it themselves.

Copyright makes everyone poorer, and people know it.

If most of the resources go into printing and distribution, then it doesn't really matter, but if making copies is free, then it does.
The old media corporations used to think that they were going to get rich off of the internet. Now, it's clear that just the competition from free content is enough to put them out of business. They might very well like to simply make the internet illegal and go back to the 1980s, if it was the only way to save their old businesses, but they're not going to succeed.

The spying software run by ISPs doesn't really work; there have been many articles written about it. The companies which make said software bribe politicians to require ISPs to buy it, so that they get billions of dollars in guaranteed sales. That's how capitalism is practiced in the real world.

At least it finally gets people to use encryption.

The entertainment corporations (our generation's enemy : ) will try to bribe the politicians to make encryption illegal again, but they are outnumbered and they will lose the war.

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cool stories bros

>> No.9841   [Delete]   [Edit]

http://www.dslreports.com talks about this issue and many others like it all the time.
The ACTA negotiations are still under way, so it's not old news. Just go to the site and search for "three strikes".

For example,


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I remember a few months ago, i was still a newfag on /b/ (yes yes, /b/ is fail etc etc, ill get to that part)
this came up, except it was just for France at the time
Many in the threads predicted that if it happened in france it would spread, yet many continued with the "theres no way this could happen, this is just stupid".
"WE ARE ANONYMOUS LOL WE DDOS U LOL" obviously failed, as the law is now in effect in France.
Now here we are some months later, faced with this crises on a global scale.
None of you should dismiss this as "obviously not going to happen" or "we cant do shit about it", if we do that we will fail (almost...k maybe not quite) as much as /b/ did.
Question is wtf do we do?
I suggest something to get America publicly against this policy, in which case many countries will follow along.

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(Posted September 15)

People can be paid for their work with the stipulation that the resulting work is copyright-free.

I've been boycotting anything copyrighted for years. Hopefully everybody else will start, too.
The public can completely cut off the flow of money to these companies.

Don't forget that these bills which propose to cut off internet access will be selectively enforced against political activists first. : )

If you go to a Star Wars image gallery, that's three illegal downloads of unlicensed screen captures.
Finally, the pigs have an excuse to cut you off from the internet.

And then the riots broke out. The human race collectively doesn't tend to show much capacity to act on the basis of foresight. When the crunch is on, then they react, and the reaction can be violent. We'll see.

>Internet freedom advocates, noting that President Nicholas Sarkozy's wife, Carla Bruni, is a top-selling singer[...]
>> No.10010   [Delete]   [Edit]

Quick Summary:
This shit is scary, what can we do?

>> No.10095   [Delete]   [Edit]

Do what you want.

With enough breakers of a law, it becomes a moot point, enforcement becomes impossible. Make it an open source project again. The only way you can stymie law enforcement is to not exist at all.

If you have computer skills, use those to increase the freedom of the web, decrease the ability to track people. If you have math skills, use it to make new encryption tactics, or help Number Theorists with encryption protocols. If you have science skills, use them to make better computers.

I foresee the internet becoming modular if this sort of law passes, i.e., people creating their own ISPs, private and donor servers that don't monitor their users. A la Swiss Bank.

In general, you can't stop people from doing what they want. And if you can, they will kill you. I worry more about how people will be taught about the internet in the future.

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I was going to suggest... keep up on the issue, inform other people, organize boycotts, write your congressman, hold orderly protests so that they don't have any excuse to interfere... and then riot bloody murder when it all gets ignored.

>With enough breakers of a law, it becomes a moot point, enforcement becomes impossible.

But you still don't want them on the books.
It's very convenient for a fascist government to make common things illegal, so that everyone is "guilty" all the time.
Then if they ever want to go after someone, they have an excuse.

"As far as we're concerned, it's been illegal all along."

The way things are really done in the United States, it's like not having a written legal system at all.
Some things are considered enforceable and some are not, but they aren't taken off the books until genuinely 100 years later.

>A la Swiss banks

Have you heard of U.B.S.?

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Should I set up my fishing boat in international waters and start handing out free hentai then?

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The United States illegally raids shipping in international waters.
"Law enforcement" and the U.S. government don't really believe in any laws, they just use them as excuses.
If it's supposed to limit them, they'll ignore it whenever possible.

...So, anyway, if you're out there alone, they can do anything they want.


I don't know. The thing is, they have a history of passing laws and then never even trying to enforce them or even publicize them, because they're afraid of the backlash.

They will typically go after the weakest people, in legal terms, ie people who are bad at representing themselves, who can't make a cogent argument, who don't have much money, and who choose the wrong lawyers. The government doesn't want to risk a show trial or a landmark case, so they will quietly drop any case where the defendant looks well prepared, and selectively prosecute a few poor sods to claim that the law is up and in force. But most people never hear about it, so it doesn't have much effect on the rest of the world.

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So, is there anything private citizens with little political influence can do to keep this from happening?

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So what you're saying is, we need an army of hackers, programmers, and pirates to fight off law enforcement and internet regulation lobbyists in a battle of Government hate machine vs Internet hate machine?

Count me in.

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What we need is government that actually represents the people instead of corporate interests. But this can help.

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Chances of that happening: HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA no

>> No.10435   [Delete]   [Edit]

This ... but just in case charges lazer

>> No.10450   [Delete]   [Edit]

someone needs to unmercifully murder all supporters of this in the UN and thier familys, including blood all over the walls and sacraligious markings, as a warning to anyone who would try to stop piracy

...anyone got alucards number?
(btw my alibi is that im kidding, i know your watching fbi)

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gg brah

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"The 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals ruled on February 3 that online content is to be judged by the community that is able to access it. Paul F. Little, a pornography producer, was convicted for violating obscenity laws in Tampa, Florida, despite producing and selling the material in California.

Little's attorney's argued that applying a local community standard to the Internet violated First Amendment rights. However, the court rejected this argument.

According to the ruling, even if the obscene materials may be legal where they are produced and in other places, they are illegal and the producers of the material can be charged as long as they violate the standards of one community.

Little is currently serving a 46-month sentence that started in January 2009. He was convicted on 10 violations of federal obscenity laws.

Source: Tampa Bay Online via Slashdot "


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so basically some third world country could sue me if i'd made a homepage about french lesbians hosted in germany if those sandniggers have a law that forbids homos in public? oh wow, i love this world and it's fucked up legality system.

...where can i sign?

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I doubt it would go that far, but it still is fucking bullshit.

I've read the guy was an asshole and may have not told the women in his porn the extent of what would happen in his work, but still to hold someone accountable to laws they're not bound by is still pretty messed up.

Fucking moral crusaders invading our god damn government.

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>Fucking moral crusaders invading North America in the 15th century and founding their very own civilization based on their personal and collective values, which persist today in all levels of community and government


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Damn, I guess your right.

Still though, holding someone accountable to laws that are only applicable to a city on the complete other side of the country is still fucked up.
The whole "if you can access it in my county your held accountable" thing is complete bullshit in this day and age with the internet allowing people to access content from all over the world in a matter of seconds. If it's such a problem to Tampa citizens, they should get their government to block access to these sites in Tampa.

I can understand a difference in moral values but crossing jurisdictions is taking too far. The point is it was legal for him to do what he doing is where he was doing it.

If anything they should've at least warned him that he could be facing jail time since it's not his responsibility to follows the laws of a place he's not it.

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If they won't stop persecuting innocent people, then use of force is justified to stop them.

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I'm starting to lose hope in my country and in it's ability to uphold my First Amendment Rights.

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You mean proofless/faked accusation of terrorism threats against the US with following invading and throatholding? But there is no oil near Tampa :V

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a few years ago, i'd be happy to say that something like this would never happen in australia, but thanks to this fucking cunt of a person... (who wants to censor our internet) i'm a little reluctant to say "Australia will be fine for this one".

God damnit, why must the stupid people get their own way?

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>> No.11393   [Delete]   [Edit]

Fuck. My. Life.
If this happens, I will seriously....

1) Wait until some super-net is made by free-thinking people.

2) Create a bunch of webpages and pretend I've made my own internet until something shows up. It'll be like camping away from the rest of the universe, and it'll stop me from dying.

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>> No.11446   [Delete]   [Edit]

So uh. I can't seem to get any worthwhile information on this yet, but I'm getting this sinking feeling...

Any idea if this newly proposed National Broadband Plan is related?

I don't like the sound of it, personally; doesn't everybody have the internet already anyway? Smells fishy.

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Australia intends to employ nation white internet filter.


This is why I love the US, if they ever wanted to pull this shit here they would have to do it in a back room while wearing robes and they would have to present a suitable offering to the All Seeing Eye of Providence.

Any resident Ausfags wish to comment?

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If this goes through, I'm fleeing to Canada.

Ethical objections aside, all this will do is restrict what the unwashed, law abiding masses can say and see on the interwebs. I mean, if someone is determined enough to risk getting V& as is, I'm sure they'll be determined enough to subvert the filter to continue whatever it is they're doing.

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>> No.11915   [Delete]   [Edit]

That's beside the point. If we let them get away with shit like this, it's only a matter of time before other countries like the US start doing it too, or that Australia will make even worse restrictions.

It looks like the only way this is gonna get stopped is if the government gets the fucking shit scared out of them, either by a hacking war that absolutely destroys their websites, or a full fledged, bloody riot.

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Well, it started today.


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Not a bad idea, actually...

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That is fucking sad.

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What the fuck? That's not real, right?

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I've been telling people that CP was some sort of covert operation for years.

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this makes me mad

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This is anything but amusing.

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> But there is no oil near Tampa.

There is now...
"Tar Balls Wash Ashore in Florida"

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Fucking bullshit. Seriously, shut shit down without due process. Goddamnit.

You know what? We should all just herd ourselves into camps and huff some Zyklon-B and just to get it over with.

I know it's a very harsh comparison but that's exactly how that shit started in Germany; the government forcibly censored anything they felt to be threatening.
The fact that this shit made it to Senate let alone passed is a fucking embarrassment to the United States.

Land of the free and the home of the brave? Well the free are in hiding and the brave are in prison.

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4chan is fucking boned, I can feel it.

This time for good.

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The real fucked up part is the part is the fact that people are getting shut down with out due process.
Even accused witches had something approaching a trial before their inevitable deaths.

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This requires moar drastic measures! Zombie computers acting as servers. Time to show these ignoramooses how to play the internetz.

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hmmm. Interesting. Although I don't think it'll work here in the US. The Federals have to make a profit somewhere. And don't kid yourself, the fbi is a business.

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There's a US chapter http://www.pirate-party.us/news.php
Let us go forth, and bring unto our enemies their destruction. We are here to crush our enemies, to see them driven before us and to hear the lamentation of their adulterous mistresses that live in Argentina.

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i'd rather grab my flamethrower and riot...

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WOO! Riot Time!
I'll get the tank.

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The Open Congress article on the Act. You can also get a PDF copy of the bill here: http://hsgac.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Press.MajorityNews&ContentRecord_id=227d9e1e-5056-8059-765f-2239d301fb7f
Gather Information FOR GREAT JUSTICE.

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>>they could disrupt telecommunications systems, shut down electric power grids, and freeze financial markets

Is any of this actually possible?

So basically the bill creates a centralized federal cyber security department and allows the President to declare a cyber state of emergency...

Now here comes the important part, how will this effect my ability to download loli porn?

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With the decentralized nature of the internet, it might not be affected too badly. maybe.
Better start grabbing it now, just in case.

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>0.0003% of Internet Downloaded
>File Size Downloaded: 20349.36GB
>Time Remaining: 394y145d15hr35m15s

I need some help here guys....

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In my experience any attempt by the government to regulate the internet is going to hit a wall. No world government has yet proven itself capable of running a decent IT network, nevermind a nefarious hivemind that regulates when you eat, shit and work.
What bothers me most about these things is that it encourages asshole teenagers to think darknets are the best solution, not understanding the total decentralisation a darknet provides has drawbacks in the one area they all need for their shitstant messaging and youtubes; speed.

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instant messaging normaly doesn't use up much bandwidth. it's mostly picture and video hosting. but yes, those wannabe-ADHS-brats would be forced to go back to chatspamming because they won't be able to camwhore anymore.

oh god, someone put that message on twitter and facebook! we'll have an army of hyperactive retards who are willing to suicide in front of TV cameras for the sake of the internet!

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Well, instant messaging nowadays incorporates a lot more video calling, was what I was thinking of, Skype and the like. Personally, everyone should be forced to learn IRC or fuck off.

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Any updates on this? I heard it was coming into effect in September. You know, now.

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of course it did NOTHING. and if i does do something, im moving to japan, learning moonspeak, and living with all the otaku's.

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Aaaaand i just saw an swf on 4chans /f/
a "decleration of war against the ACTA treaty" by anonymous

Were all fucked

and unlike some of the others that at least SOUNDED kindof well written and intellegent, this was just stupid too

So now that /b/ knows it's all going to go downhill from here and all attempts at stopping ACTA are probably going to be laughed at as "4chan trolls"

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you really don't understand how things work do you

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hahaha no.

A group of 10,000 or more angry, bad tempered assholes all working towards the same goal... not going to end well.

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"hahaha no.

A group of 10,000 or more angry, bad tempered assholes all working towards the same goal... not going to end well."

Thats pretty much what i just said... how is that "haha no"? ? ?
im confused now

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you basically said that /b/'s efforts would be in vain and he obviously disagrees

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Well, to be fair, they WON'T be in vain, but they sure as hell won't achieve what they're shooting for.

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This just in: display a pedobear in California, get arrested.

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>use caution
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The bill has resurfaced, and its seems it is to be discussed at a hearing on Thursday.

Shit could get serious. If you're not already amply equipped. It's about time you step it up a notch.

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Now COICA is joining in on the current torrent of bullshit.


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Lets just stop and think about this for a second.

China has a very tight and stringent filtration of information on the internet. Now, couple that with a large number of very smart youth, with nothing but computer terminals and all the time in the world. Bad things will happen.

I have to use an encrypted VPN just to get access outside of my hotels when I stay in Beijing. And even then, its still painful to do video conferencing.

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Thought I would just drop this here.


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>middle east/north korea/commies/etc are the good guys fighting for freedom

Sorry, when have they ever fought for their freedom?

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Their freedom to oppress women and live in abject poverty?

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if I was doing this because I hated freedom, I'd be bombing Sweden, not America - Osama

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Well shit, the floridans actually went through with this shit.

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They got him to send him his book so they could hold him under their jurisdiction?

Is anyone else concerned at Florida's attempts to stretch their jurisdiction beyond their borders? They become some sort of vigilante state.
If I recall they charged a man in another state under local laws because he had a website.

I think some should be done about Florida laws, and no, I don't mean putting on our Guy Fawkes masks and chanting memes outside of government buildings or putting on afro wigs and standing out in front of the pool.

So, any of you guys know and legal means to combat government oppression?

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Meanwhile in Stockholm.

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Meanwhile in Cairo

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I would like to tell you all, not to confuse this bunch for anything important, revolutionary, or intellegent.
Just a bunch of lazy teachers, who should be in school teaching kids instead of playing hooky. Thats the kids job

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Either that or they are standing up against a blatent act of politically-motivated union-busting. If they fail we'll all be worse off for it.

Also, if you think teachers are lazy, you have been misinformed.

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>If they fail we'll all be worse off for it.

Yeah because our education system has been improving by leaps and bounds.


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that chart is lacking some citation. What method is it using to track inflation? Why is it specifying spending on 17 year olds? what did children at other ages spend? and most importantly, how are math, science and reading scores being normalized? What test are they using?

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my teacher always said "Never trust a chart you haven't faked yourself."

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You guys act like they were drafted into teaching. They knew full well what the pay is and they know that their employer never runs out of money be it obtained by gun point or printing press.

>The average teacher salary in 2001 was $43,300, compared to the average full-time worker salary of $40,100.1 While a starting salary of $30,000 may seem shockingly low to some, it’s actually higher than what many Ivy League graduates earn when starting in the policy world, advertising, or similar nontechnical jobs.
>Economist Richard Vedder has observed that the Bureau of Labor Statistics National Compensation Survey shows that teachers earn “more per hour than architects, civil engineers, mechanical engineers, statisticians, biological and life scientists, atmospheric and space scientists, registered nurses, physical therapists, university-level foreign-language teachers, [and] librarians.” In fact, the Bureau of Labor Statistics reported that the average pay per hour for all workers in the “professional specialty” category in 2001 was $27.49, while public secondary school teachers earned $30.48 and elementary teachers $30.52 — or about 10 percent more than the typical professional.

My teacher once said, I don't care if you learn anything, this is my last year, I'll be in Cancun enjoying my retirement after this year.


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Well I havn't heard any word on COICA or any of these other bullshit bills, or any new versions of it
Did they just get laughed out of the Senate so many times they gave up?
Did they suceed and nobody mentioned it?

Because I certainly havn't seen half the internet go down

America seems to be working, and our speech continues uncensored

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Anonymous is hitting new lows, lets just hope these crack downs are done Jay and Silent Bob style

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>Anonymous is hitting new lows
>implying that's even possible
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You'd think that even those "hur dur legun" idiots would realize that the one thing you don't go after is peoples money.

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Hay gais, remember me?


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hey gais remember how this failed to pass pretty much every time!

im not even worried about these anymore

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SOPA does have a chance, though. The supporters (lobbyist puppets?) are very eager to push it, and the committee members generally display a huge ignorance of the technological and social implications.


Really, the attitude of the bill's supporters is indicative of a much larger problem....

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