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321542 No.18753   [Delete]   [Edit

Guess who's a trap...

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Evidence, sir; we need evidence.

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>>18753
Who is this character? She appears to be wearing an Evangelion plug suit but I've never seen her before.

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>>18764
She's the new character in Evangelion Rebuild. She appears in the 2nd movie. I haven't seen it yet so I dunno much info other than that.

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Makinami Mari Illustrious (真希波 マリ I think)
New character in Evangelion Rebuild movies. I've not heard a peep anywhere that shows she is a he; but seeing as it's a new and mostly unknown character there is a possibility.

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>>18753
Did you just see that thread on /m/ too?
Either way, I read there that it's a possibility that she's an angel, but not necessarily a trap.

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>>18766

The second movie is out?

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>>18780
In theaters. No DVD releases yet I think.

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>>18783

:(

Yeah I saw that they have a cam on torrents but i've already seen evangelion a long time ago, I'm just watching it again for the upgraded visuals lol

I'm not that desperate to download a cam though :x

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I fucking wish.

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The movie has been out for a month or two, she's not a trap.

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>>18798
should be a fuckin trap

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>>18831
Oh Shi...shi...Shinji-kun :3

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>>18753

Ugh the new plugsuit is fucking ugly.

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>>18841
I personally like Mari and her plugsuit. She's Gainax's current style in contrast to their classics in Eva.

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>>18840
Woah. That pic freaked me out. I have not seen the new movie, but considering Anno's history of mindfuckery, is it possible that Mari is Shinji?

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>>18852
Anno isn't working on Rebuild.

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Angel or trap, either way the gender is highly skewed :3

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Sums it up nicely.

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>>18857

I'm sure he'd be surprised to know that.

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seems pretty girly to me

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>>18753
Oh, please!

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The new plugsuits are ugly. Why did they change them?

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>>19003
>>18843
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>>18831

OMG Shinji is so fucking cute.

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is the middle of Asuka's Plugsuit really transparent in the new Anime?

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I am hard gay for Shinji.

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>>19101
The transparent one is a prototype of her usual one. Basically its just fanservice.

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I hated Shinji for the longest time.

Thank you /tr/, for making me hate him less.

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Shinji is, and always will be, pig disgusting.

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>>19142
You mean that YOU are and always will be pig disgusting. Obviously you cant mean beautiful shinji. I see what you did, simple mistype.

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This is just like that last Shinji thread that wasn't trap related, only this one hasn't been deleted yet :D

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>>19142
Now there's no need to be like that. I hate Shinji with an undying passion and I'd still fuck trap-Shinji on sight.

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Put sHINJI IN A DRESS AND i WILL CALL IT A TRAP

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r26VFYHj1dY

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>>19213
i loled

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Everyone's gay for Shinji, just look at all the doujin out there!

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>>19412
I guess because we all wanted to rape his ass for being such a wussy.

Luckily we kind of have seen that wish fulfilled, even if not quite like we thought we would

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>>19451
Well Shinji is extremely feminine, his designer (Sadamoto)basically said that he was told to design him around a "clean girlish image" and did say the personality was designed to be "refractive and feminine" so it's no surprise that he pissed off guys who wanted a normal manly mecha hero, they made him trapfaggy for that reason.

Actually if you look at the scenes in Ep8&9 it's easy to see that he's got a girl's figure(and face), and makes a trap without any effort but he normally hides that with his baggy clothes.

>Luckily we kind of have seen that wish fulfilled

Do you mean buttsecks from Fuyutsuki in the linked video?

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>>19514

>they made him trapfaggy for that reason.

Shinji's not a trap, though. It's pretty obvious he's a guy. Anyone who thinks otherwise should get their eyes checked.

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>get their eyes checked

Uhuh, so are you sure your eyes are fine? I understand if you might feel reluctant in seeing him as girl type pretty but that really is what he is and his concept designs and creator comments are totally clear on it.
There's no way Shinji could have a unfeminine design...it turns out through the show (and the canonical EVA2 game)that it takes nothing more than clothes to make him look just like a girl, in fact the dressy episodes with Asuka show that he's got a figure near identical to Kraut-chan. Shinji only looks like a (girly)guy because of his uniform; get rid of that and stick him in a plugsuit or dancer clothes and he's a girl.

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>19523

Is there a source for the images?

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>>19520

>get rid of that and stick him in a plugsuit or dancer clothes and he's a girl.

Not really. Kaworu's got the more "girl type pretty" feel, Shinji's just a plain boy. He still looks like a boy even in the over glorified crossdressing fanart of him.

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I find it weird that people are debating whether Shinji is girly or not. I never thought of him that way until now, some of these pics are actually pretty cute/hot. But now someone brings in Kaworu? Sorry to say but that's kind of gross. Even if he is a male version of Ayanami that dude is ugly.

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>>19527

>Not really. Kaworu's got the more "girl type pretty" feel

You aren't really familiar with the design archetypes are you? That was more or less the same as saying that Lulu is girly,it is there but the overall design falls to a different archetype (actualy Gayass isn't a bad example, a some people also brush out Rolo's looks because they don't like him and wouldn't like to find him attractive)
Kaworu isn't all that feminine in design even if he's bishonen, he's more angular in facial and bone structure, taller and somewhat built and his hips are thin and point upwards(no femmy curve in other words) which along with his more masculine behavior falls rather clearly into the seme archetype. Shinji on the other hand is slight of build, he's got a more delicate facial and bone structure (actualy his face is near identical to Rei's) wideish hips that tilt forward (creating curves, and a thin waist, his behavior is also what would be considered "femenine", he cooks, cleans and goes around the house in an apron, he also is rather effusive and blushes and cries a lot, that's more or less an archetypical uke, a girly sub in other words.

>>Shinji's just a plain boy. He still looks like a boy

Plain...Well that might fit into Utada's song on him not knowing his beauty, but Sadamoto called him a bishonen (never mind the delicate and girl type looking comments) and official art, games(including EVA2) and the TV and film itself do bring up the Onnagata Shinji theme all the time: you do see all sorts of girly Shinji posters and artwork from Gainax/Khara(especially when he's around Kaworu) the 24 episode show has him be effortlessly turned into a trap by Kraut-chan and an Alcoholic, also in EVA2 Fuyutsuki says that he looks just like Yui and turns him into a trap, and Kaworu who knows Makeupfu decorates him in a separate scene and keeps calling Shinji pretty and girly thought it, he even goes on to say that with his eyelashes done Shinji looks like a girl: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iuK5DSEF4I4

It's rather clear that Shinji's the most feminine Gainax boy around.

Do you want to see him as a plain boy because it's easier to hate him than feel some sort of uncomfortable attraction to him?
>>19528
What's wrong with Kaworu? He's probably the closest to a Clamp type seme in the show, and Shinji definitely could use oneXD

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>>19528

>Kaworu
>ugly

BURN THE WITCH

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>>19529
"What's wrong with Kaworu? He's probably the closest to a Clamp type seme in the show, and Shinji definitely could use oneXD"

Oh now you make it even worse. No offense but Clamp draws some of the ugliest male characters I've ever seen. Take Hideki for example, WTF is up with that guys eyes? Only yaoi fans find characters like him or Kaworu attractive.

>>19530
That's a nice pic I'll give you that. But he looks nothing of the sort in the actual anime. At least some of in in-show pics of Shinji look cute. [18831 & 19520] Back when I watched Evangelion it was before I was into traps or shota, now these images make me view Shinji a bit differently.

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>>19529
I'm not going by the whole "uke/seme" stereotype BS, I meant that Kaworu just has a more striking and beautiful character design, IMO. Shinji never came across as girly to me, physically speaking. His face and hairstyle are just too boyish. From what I've seen, I'm not alone in that sentiment.

It's not that I hate him or anything, I just don't find him attractive and I don't really see him as /tr/ material. Wasn't that why the last Shinji thread got deleted?

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>>19535
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>>19538
DFL's got the right idea.

Less arguing, more pics.

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>>19540
Is there a source? I'd love seeing it!
>>19531
Eh you can't really mean that can you? Kaworu was designed to be sickeningly beautiful, he doesn't look as femmy as Shinji but that doesn't make him ugly at all.
>>19532
Oh okay, they did design some of Shinji's traits like hair around that of a "boyish young woman" so I guess you are right about it...I'd say that they exist to contrast to the softness of his design though.

BTW 2ch is full of Trapji threads http://changi.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/eva/1249812689/

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>>19545

>Is there a source? I'd love seeing it!

Sadly, I have no clue. Some kind anon posted this on 4chan's /y/ a while ago, but I forgot to save all of it for some stupid reason. I'm kicking myself as we speak.

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>>19547
It's from Chizuma's "pool" doujin but I didn't know they had it.

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Femji during RoE1, they should have done us all the favor of putting him in a gown after the hospital bit.

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Does /tr/ think that Kaworu or Asuka's a better dom for FemmeShin?

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>>19773
Dat ass

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>>19598
Asuka with trap Shinji (as in Shinji is still a boy).
Kaworu for genderbent Shinji.

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>>19909
That sounds right(although a homosexual variant of that could be interesting), the art around even tends to that.

On that note it's a bit interesting that when Shinji is drawn/becomes female in doujins/Jart s/he normally becomes a sort of reverse trap (a girl who looks like a girly boy?)

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>>19911
Well, he really IS androgynous regardless of gender.

Also, you were asking for a better dom, not pairing. I tend to get the feeling that Shinji was already being dominated by Asuka in several aspects while he saw Kaworu as a true friend (or well... you know what fanon says).
That means, he felt more confortable around people of his gender while he ended up being controlled by women (be it Asuka, Rei, etc.)

Apllying this to genderbending, it means he'd also feel confortable and probably even have a good relationship with Rei, Asuka and the other girls, but would weirded out by guys (especially after getting beaten by one of them for almost killing his sister).
So by the time Kaoru appears (who acts like a pimp) he'd mercilessly tease her at the moment she's most vulnerable (Rei has died once and Asuka is in coma).
I still think there could be even lesbic undertones between Asuka and Shinjiko (especially after the controlling EVA 2 together and bonding to defeat that double angel)

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>>19912
That really makes sense,Shinji did very much feel at ease around Kaworu. Enough so that in the drafts they were going to use Shinji started acting completely open around him, enough so that he actualy did things like crying on Kaworu's shoulder...(in the drafts at least)it really does seem that he switched to a female role whenever he was with Kaworu, so I'm sure getting Shinji to voluntarily become a trap would have been as simple as Kaworu asking him to dress up...Or Kraut-chan could just have gone into germandom mode and threatened/forced the baka into dressing up.
And I guess a Shinji genderswap could work rather well, like you said (s)he's always androgynous so if Shinji/ko went around in pants and a dress shirt(as many doujins seem to do with her) then things like Touji thinking she's a boy and beating her up because of that mistake, followed by borderline sexual harassment from Kaji(he already harassed Shinji in the film so it could happen)and then Touji&Kensuke, could be enough to make her start avoiding guys.
And the manga version of Kaworu could easily fit into this: he did almost rape Shinji during the bed scene, and he definitely seemed jealous of Rei and Asuka and glad that they were gone so I could very much see him exploiting Shinji/ko.
(I wonder if the Asuka bit should work with her knowing that Shinji's a girl, or reverse trap Shinji unintentional fooling her)

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>>19514
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He does have child bearing hips in cannon.

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>>20505

Balls. Can't you see them?

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>>20508
I can also see the boobs.
And balls mean nothing. Some doujin authors have drawn duta with them

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>>20512
Is there any more?

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bump

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Breasts aside he canonicaly looks almost as femme as Rei.

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>>21600
Except he's not cute or feminine at all. Sure Shinji is a wuss but a trap? No, nothing says 'I'm a boy' more than an ugly boyish haircut like his.

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>Except he's not cute or feminine at all.

Eh, Kaworu says just the opposite, especially in the network censored scripts for Ep24(where Shinji basically acts like a girl around him), and in EVA2 he does say Shinji looks like a girl and then goes about dolling him up: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iuK5DSEF4I4 (too bad it wasn't mixed with the dress up scene).

>No, nothing says 'I'm a boy' more than an ugly boyish haircut like his.

Well there are female characters that have boyish hair, and the style doesn't stop him from getting turned into a trap during the show. I can't say you're wrong about the haircut being a bad thing though, Sadamoto was going to design him with longer hair to begin with but scraped that idea because he looked to femme/flaky with longer hair.

>"A sort of delicate character…I wanted a sort of clean image that a woman tends to project…a bishonen (beautiful young man). In the beginning I gave Shinji longer hair, so in the dramatic scenes, it could hide his face or wave in the breeze. But when I drew that, he looked a little too wild-and so delicate the slightest pressure would break him. So finally I tried for a look where you could see the forehead through the bangs, shorter hair-the look of a boyish young girl. Speaking in concrete terms, his eyes are a girl's eyes."- Yoshiyuki Sadamoto
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where did you get that quote from?
wiki?
I like to know the source/sauce.

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The one where Sadamoto says Shinji looks like a "boyish young girl"?
It's from the notes/commentary at the end of the first volume. I think Evageeks has it somewhere...They also have a +50 page thread just on the topic of trap/trans Shinji, and they somehow got a hold of and translated an interview and scripts from June(a BL mag) that basically said that Shinji's a fairy boy, and in the planed scripts(the network censored them) he was supposed to act blatantly feminine/moe around Kaworu(getting shielded from the rain by him, grabing on to his arm and then crying into him, and passing out and being carried/tucked into bed by Kaworu)as some sort of way to troll the Shonen demographic. Apparently they weren't able to get the more direct parts through(it was the 90s and the show had been initialy presented to the nework as a shonen one), but the scripts and interview are rather clear about Shinji being a very femmenine character, and since he allready looks like a girl the only thing needed is a dress(which he does get on several occasions).

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I thought EVA was a boys/men's(shonen) cartoon/anime.

Well I thought Kaworu was a male version of Rei(isnt that implied in the movie?)

This whole time I thought Shinji was going to be paired off with Asuka and then Rei(secondary, but she is technically Shinji's mom or Shinji's cousin or half sister since she was created with Shinji's mom's dna). Then there are all those annoying straight hentai where shinji's banging ASuka. I prefer Shinji as a bisexual trap. "Girl on Girl action". FUTA or trap or Shota version of Asuka butt-fucking Shinji(fem-trap version).

I thought of Shinji wore a wig that resembled Asuka's or Rei's hairstyle he would be able to pass for them. Plue there is that episode where he wear's asuka's plug suit.

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>I thought EVA was a boys/men's(shonen) cartoon/anime.

Not quite, from what Anno said it seems that it was designed to subvert/deconstruct mecha/shonen archetypes. (Actualy Sadamoto said that the femenine design for Shinji was part of an effort to make it dissonant from the start)
From what it seems Anno actualy had a rather strong dislike of the otaku that clung to over the top mecha stuff and designed everything, including the alt gender roles in there to push against that.
It also does seem that he planed to have Shinji go blatantly femme around Kaworu and have him basically act out the heroine role around another more cool/masculine guy as a way to troll them. This dissonance and denial of a vicarious experience is in part is why some of the Shonen fans around hate Shinji.

>Well I thought Kaworu was a male version of Rei(isnt that implied in the movie?)

Not quite, they fused into some sort of androgynous god being(AdamKadamon...Shinji only liked the boy half though) but they're actualy quite distinct.
Now on the other hand Rei and Shinji both share their genetic mother's genes and take after her, they also have the same face(you can see it in the side by side image above, also in EVA2 Shinji after Kaworu dolls him up finds out that he looks like "Ayanami") and Shinji has a rather petite lightly curved frame that isn't all that different from Rei'ss. Rei and Shinji have some sort of vague dualist nature alluded to throughout the show ("Shinji if it's a boy and Rei if it's a girl") and in the second Rebuild film they essentially become twins by liquefying in Yui/01's enteryplug/womb. There's a good deal of speculation amongst Japanese fans that they might become some sort of androgynous chimera from that(Ritsuko said that they couldn't recover them, and Kaworu penetrated one of the two cores that were supposed to represent them).

>I prefer Shinji as a bisexual trap.

That seems to be essentially the case (although Shinji doesn't dress full time and clings to some sort of idea of being normal till the end, abandoning his pilot job is something of a metaphor for that). Shinji is attracted to Rei and Asuka, but it from the Anno interview and scripts it seems that Kaworu was supposed to be the first person he actualy loved, after killing him of course he runs to Asuka(she's really the only one left) and she snaps at him in the start of instrumentality because she wasn't the "main course" and that "any one would do" for him...Incidentally that scene also highlights their roles by having Shinji take the girl's role in metaphorical intercourse, and shortly after one of the instrumentality scenes has a tank full of female Shinji's(Shinjiquarium) people aren't totally sure about the meaning behind the scenes but it does seem like Shinji's a very gender confused character.
It seems that Shinji's intimate roles very much do tend to the feminine and Asuka hated that(even though Ironically she was the first one to make him a trap) it seems to be one of the reasons why their relation in the broke down(he"Wouldn't hold her") Rei(who Shinji loves to mother) and Kaworu didn't seem to have those problems.

>FUTA or trap or Shota version of Asuka butt-fucking Shinji(fem-trap version).

There's actualy a lot of male Asuka/trapji artwork from fujoshi circles around, and Kaworu/Shinji doujins(which are quite frequent) tend to make Shinji quite femme. The same groups also sometimes make Shinji into a reverse trapish girl(along the lines of the EoE flash) and pair her with Kaworu Rei(it basicaly looks like twincest then) or Asuka.

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So Shinji's suposed to be some sort of girly semicloseted trannyboi/girl? And EoE/Kaworu mean he wants tits and to get his buttpussy penetrated by Kawou?

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In short yes. He's basically a heroine princess archetype character placed in a femmenine male body, and it really shows in the design notes.

As far as things are concerned that type of character was totally outside of what convention dictated in the type of mecha lead found circa 1995.

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Well, to be fair, that's only one side of the story.

There was quite a lot of internal friction inside Gainax and between Sadamoto and Anno on budget, on how to handle the plot and the anime in general.

Sadamoto was told to design Shinji kinda girly and delicate as Anno wanted a loser who'd grow confident over time (appealing to the Otakus out there in Japan)
From wiki:

>"But when all is said and done, Hideaki Anno's comments on 'Evangelion' + 'Evangelion' are that it is a message aimed at anime fans including himself, and of course, me too. If a person who can already live and communicate normally watches it, they won't learn anything."

After having a lot of trouble (mostly money, but that also took a toll on the crew) and seeing how Otakus didn't seem to react like he expected (as in, they'd get the message and "MAN UP") he decided he'd put Shinji through as much hardships and fucked up situations as he could instead of the lighter comic/hero approach people were expecting from Gainax (you might notice how earlier chapters, despite having a serious tone also have some funny moments to lighten it which end up getting lost by the second half of the series)

>In response to the backlash by fans against the nature of the series finale, Anno made several controversial comments in the months following the series conclusion, and preceding the release of The End of Evangelion. Anno commented in various interviews after the conclusion of the series that "anime fans need to have more self-respect" and to "come back to reality"; in a Newtype interview on 10 May, after the announcement on 26 April of a new movie and re-edited versions of the TV series, he also stated that "computer networking is graffiti on toilet walls."[40] These statements were even more controversial.

Sadamoto kinda decided to ragequit and do what he'd done with the anime in his manga and Anno didn't calm down and get back to earth after a decade cowmilking.

tl;dr: Yes & no. Anno might have even considered to instead make Shinji go the full trap route instead of making it just as a "lol, let's have fun with him being girly" when he got furious but he probably dropped that idea when he saw Ranma being successful (as he wanted to, as we call it now, troll the japanese fans for not living up to his expectations).
And let's not forget Anno had just finished overcoming a depression before the production started.

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I can’t totally agree with all of that, even if your points are all solid.

>Sadamoto was told to design Shinji kinda girly and delicate as Anno wanted a loser who'd grow confident over time (appealing to the Otakus out there in Japan)

I don’t quite think the bishi/delicate design they utilized with Shinji was in itself supposed to appeal to otaku, the type of characters they eat up are the ones they can vicariously live through along the vein of Amuro/TTGL, Shinji’s design and his effeminate behavior denies them that in a sense…Or at least I would guess that they didn’t want to connect with a lead that ‘s more comfortable with donning an apron and cleaning and cooking for the others (I wonder if the maid trap part might not be a nod to this)rather than being in the cockpit.
The feminine looking/bishonen design with the hero wasn’t anything new from a cultural stand point, androgynous looking heroes like Ushiwakamaru/Yoshitsune, Mitsunari or Okita(who I think has some art in this site) for example have been a staple in Japanese archetypes since the Heian period(actually Sadamoto mentioned Ushiwakamaru when talking about Shinji’s design), although interestingly enough that type of ascetics never was used in mecha shows prior to the late 90s implying that shonen fans really didn’t care for it. Shinji has some outward similarities to the bishonen hero archetype but as far as character goes he’s quite different, he doesn’t actually manifest the heroic traits that would normally go along with his role, and actually ends up playing out a stereotypically feminine role which was what Sadamoto was talking about when he called Shinji a femennine, refractive character. As far as intrapersonal and social roles go Shinji acts out the female role:Even without the censored scripts It’s blatantly obvious with his blushing schoolgirl act around Kaworu but it’s also a factor with the others, Asuka for instance wants him to be masculine and comfort her but Shinji to her frustration ends up playing the girl role (“you won’t even hold me”). It seems like the character was designed to be completely dissonant with all the archetypes that would be expected with his part.

>After having a lot of trouble (mostly money, but that also took a toll on the crew) and seeing how Otakus didn't seem to react like he expected (as in, they'd get the message and "MAN UP") he decided he'd put Shinji through as much hardships and fucked up situations as he could instead of the lighter comic/hero approach people were expecting from Gainax (you might notice how earlier chapters, despite having a serious tone also have some funny moments to lighten it which end up getting lost by the second half of the series)

That does seem to be part of the case but the change in the tone wasn’t necessarily unplanned, other documents do seem to say that Anno has something of a reputation for creating a story that starts out normally enough and then deviates from that (http://www.nettime.org/Lists-Archives/nettime-l-9802/msg00101.html), and it does seem that some degree of dissonance was already in play from the start, Shinji’s feminine (maternal in some cases) traits are brought up repeatedly in the first half of the show, and not just through the trap segments.

>In response to the backlash by fans against the nature of the series finale, Anno made several controversial comments in the months following the series conclusion, and preceding the release of The End of Evangelion.
>Sadamoto kinda decided to ragequit and do what he'd done with the anime in his manga and Anno didn't calm down and get back to earth after a decade cowmilking.

From some of the information around it seems like Anno’s frustration was partly at gainax and the networks, some documents(I need to find them ) leaked by disgruntled Gainax employees seem to indicate that the network executives prevented Anno and his script writers from executing much of what they had planed. The Kaji/Misato sex scene at 21 and the guro elements in 19-20 seem to have pissed off the network and lead them to with hold some of the funds Anno wanted and block all the other controversial material (the intended episodes with Kaworu included). Part of the result in this was the incomplete end.

>tl;dr: Yes & no. Anno might have even considered to instead make Shinji go the full trap route instead of making it just as a "lol, let's have fun with him being girly" when he got furious but he probably dropped that idea when he saw Ranma being successful (as he wanted to, as we call it now, troll the japanese fans for not living up to his expectations).

And let's not forget Anno had just finished overcoming a depression before the production started.
It’s possible that he might have decided to emphasize that and make Shinji an unpleasant character to identify with because of his dissatisfaction with anime fans, but it doesn’t just seem to have been a spur of the moment decision that was backtracked on soon. Satsukawa Akio, who also wrote the scripts for episodes 3-10&12-13(the trapsuit/dancer ones apparently), was credited for developing the scripts and writing out Kaworu with the intent that Shinji be his waifu. There’s several versions of the scripts that go over the same theme of having Shinji act out a blatantly feminine role, and Anno himself defended the scripts in an interview with June Magazine and said that the TV versions were basically just scaled back forms of the scripts as so to avoid censorship issues. It does for the most part seem like Shinji was designed to play into traditional female roles and was quite likely gender disphoric, it also seems like this was meant to come into plain sight near the end of the show, although there had already been plenty of subtext from the start with him that seemed girlish. I don’t think going over internal gender identity stuff (alongside just about every other social identity problem Shinji’s bagged with) was going to ever be easy to air, especially in what had been presented as a shonen show.

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And sorry, I had planned to upload a trapShinji doujin [http://dl.toranoana.jp/cgi-bin/coterie_item_detail.cgi?cf_id=260000696800] (It's basically an anthology with trapShinji coupled Asuka, Kaworu, Rei, Kaji and tentacles), but the file came in some sort of Japanese Keyring PDF lock so it's near impossible to coppy.

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>>23677
Since I couldn't get the trap Doujin, I'll drop the scans to a Kaworu/reversetrapShinji doujinshi.
...It seems like most of the stuff out there either makes Shinji a trap or reverse trap.

http://www.mediafire.com/?go0dxnemj1z - the lower res version.
http://www.mediafire.com/?ggtmmwudye5 - A high res if someone would have any reason for wanting it.

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>Or at least I would guess that they didn’t want to connect with a lead that ‘s more comfortable with donning an apron and cleaning and cooking for the others

Emiya Shirou/Archer follows this archetype and despite all the fun people make of him due to the anime version, in the game he actually is a pretty well done character.
Also, I was referring on the internal insecurities Shinji shares with characters like Simon and some Gundam main characters which, let's face it, are a reflection of the target audience.

>he doesn’t actually manifest the heroic traits that would normally go along with his role

I haven't read the original scripts but if the rebuild movies are a reflection of them he was supposed to become like that but they decided to keep him in a permanent despair state instead of making him a hero.
At least in the first of the Rebuild movies I saw I consider him following the hero archetype pretty closely.

>other documents do seem to say that Anno has something of a reputation for creating a story that starts out normally enough and then deviates from that

Fair enough, as I said, I have not delved into this terrain to much and I was just stating my opinion on what I did know.

>but it doesn’t just seem to have been a spur of the moment decision that was backtracked on soon

I think I phrased the tl;dr poorly. What I meant is that he did probably change a lot of Shinji's character development throughout the series (let's not forget this gets aired weekly in Japan and 13 weeks after launch he might have reconsidered the whole idea).
I tend to lean towards thinking that he let out all the frustrations he had on the characters. That he left out a lot of the fanservice/fandisservice with Shinji later on might have been intentional or just a byproduct of this.

>There’s several versions of the scripts that go over the same theme of having Shinji act out a blatantly feminine role, and Anno himself defended the scripts in an interview with June Magazine and said that the TV versions were basically just scaled back forms of the scripts as so to avoid censorship issues

I would like to see how that played out.
He probably wouldn't have delved in too much (like all animes seem to do to avoid controversy) and probably would have used it as comic relief and fan(dis)service to lighten up the episodes where they aren't fighting the Angels (kinda like the slice-of-life episodes in Utena).

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>>23681
Oh and thanks.

Have an ass-shot from Shinji in Asuka's plugsuit.

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It's been a while hasn't it /tr/ap? Don't worry I haven't forgotten about you. Here, I brought you a gift, I know it's just the type you like: Trap!Shinji gets violated by half the cast (Asuka&Rei pegging followed by Kaji, Misato, Mari & Kaworu getting the sloppy seconds) doesn't that sound nice?

DL: http://www.mediafire.com/?yntqyoiwdln
Enjoy!

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Gainax's Shinji Ikari Raising Project made him a trap for volume 10 and plastered him on it's cover and ShounenAce page.

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>>42322
The trap parts of volume 10 have been scanned BTW.
Dl:http://www.mediafire.com/?da0mafcjiaf1333

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does anyone of the source of this?

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>>42465
It's from one of the Chisuma doujins. I actually have a copy so if you wait I'll probably have scans by New Years.

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Thanks! That'd be really great!

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From the Gainax topage.
Moar official trapage from Gainax/Khara.

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If it works for now, I should have scans of a doujin that has Asuka as a trap(who makes Shinji a trap) up soon.

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Any Update on this???

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>>43385
Sorry about not having posted earlier, I did get the scans for AsukaXXY(http://www.mediafire.com/?3zin3npl68xgjzu) but it turned out to be futa... sorry.

To make up for that, here's a From Attom, with Trap!Shinji getting sexually harassed by Mari as it's theme. http://www.mediafire.com/file/az5k77w01a91p31

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>>44645

Futa is fine in my book, thanks for coming back and not leaving us hanging.

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>hanging

A pun by chance? If you don’t have any problem with them, I guess you won’t have any problem if I post the links to Yoku nai Uwasa. It’s Shinji, who’s pretty much a trap whenever he isn’t wearing his baggy clothes, getting violated by Kaworu and Tabuko (who the Japanese fandom likes to portray as a futa version of MangaKaworu and his clones). It’s from the same artist that did Royal Straight Platonic in >>23681
http://www.mediafire.com/?o5dhd661oasddib

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>>44775
Touji never struck me as somebody who'd make a passable trap. Not that I wouldn't want to see the rest.
Now that we're on the topic of potential traps it might not be a bad time to mention that I noticed, while giving the manga a second look, that Kaworu has a fairly feminine face. Maybe he could join Shinji in the skirt magic?

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Kaworu could join in the skirt magic ok.

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>>44787
Hot... Is there any moar?
Tabby's face and body is more angular than Shinji's, but that just means he'd look like an older girl. No reason why he couldn't pull that off, when he's suposed to be an expert in cosmetics. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iuK5DSEF4I4

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I see what u did there...

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Asuka could make a good trap though. Plenty of artists like to draw her Rebuild version as some sort of trap-catboy.

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Bump for Trap-tabby!

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Kaworu's canon design makes him look like a delicious reverse trap.

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There actualy is some official Trap!Kaworu artwork from Gainax out there.

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<--I makenzy giffy.

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hey, can you make more images so I can make the gif smoother?

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You could just load his mod into the program.

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Can you post them?

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Would the link work? http://sdtstuff.co.cc/viewSeries/Neon%20Genesis%20Evangelion/1/

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So much trap pop star Shinji stuff as of late. It must be because of Gainax having made Shinji a trap band-girl in one of their spin offs.

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>>45253
How?

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2/22 is suposed to be Japan's caturday. Naturaly that means catboy-trap images get posted for the event.

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And that Asuka gets genderbent into being a cat/trap.

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Nurses get trained to shoot questionable fluids up your ass.

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Sorry /tr/, I almost forgot to give you the Swimsuit!Shinji doujin.
http://www.mediafire.com/?0uyvybjd8jaj4t1

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Nearly all the recent Shinjicentric doujins seem to be trap themed.

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>>49851
moar?

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It's from Harasho, (http://puchivillage.xxxxxxxx.jp/index.htm >>44815 & >>45445 are hers) most of her works have all the characters genderbent into being male. Asuka's a trap too and the "Under" part of her site along with most of her doujinshi have plenty of trapsex.

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>>49848
>>49850
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>>49858
Can you upload the doujins?

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>>49929
I'm sorry, I don't have scans from that artist.
But if it makes things any better I do have the scans from a doujin where Kaworu makes Shinji work as a female model.

[email protected]: http://www.mediafire.com/?zwexwoomekk1kh3

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Bump with fabulous Kaworu

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Kaworu's birthday

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And yet another trap idol Shinji doujin is coming out for it. I'm sure Kaworu'd approve.

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Trap on trap sex ahoy
http://www.mediafire.com/?z1la51wf5vvgcsi

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Official delicious trap is official

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please please plase. Bump for translated hentai doujinshi of trap shinji

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>>59068

>Trap!Shinji plz

Do you mean >>57514? Since that's being scanlated right now, so you just have to be patient.
Or did you mean >>58064? Since that's official, Dark Horse already released it and you just need to spend ten dollars to have it.

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>>54686
You know whats really funny about that is that both characters Sailor Uranus/Haruka Tenoh(damn sucks that she's a dyke) and Shinji Ikari are voiced by the same person Megumi Ogata.

To make up for Haruka/Uranus as dyke it would be nice if it was official that both Shinji and Kuruma as gay(since they both look like girls).

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>>59507
As in it’s too bad that Haruka wasn’t a boy who looked like a boyish woman and switched into sailor mode for battle, not that the homolust part’s bad at all, right?

If it makes you feel any better Anno says that the blatantly gay drafts for ep24 are what he intended and that the homoerotism was very much intended, so Shinji is at the least is confirmed bi. Ditto with the manga: Shinji says he was attracted to Kaworu "in a way he shouldn't have been" once he's dead.

And I remember hearing something about Kurama initially being planned as gay, but I can’t find the stuff at the moment.

But yeah, it's funny that both Shinji and Kurama look like reversetraps when Haruka actually is one.

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>Ogata characters

Oh and if it makes you feel any better there's also Eagle Vision from Magic Knight Rayearth. He's pretty much Haruka, just with a dick, girly looking mecha and thanks to Clamp's law of conservation of homolust he's also canonically gay.

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>>59555
Ogata is married. But her husband is a lucky man.
Can you imagine living with a woman and when you get to fuck her she has the voice of your favorite trap anime charater.

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>>59555
I saw the entire Magic Knight Rayearth series both seasons now who does he cocklust for?
I hope he is the receiver. Its been a while since I've watched the series.

But seriously when I first saw Shinji in his white plug suit I thought he was a flat-chested girl with short hair. I also thought Kurama was a girl when I first saw him in 1995 same applies with Kenshin (1998).

Kurama and Shinji, both dont look like reverse traps but just regular traps to me.

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>who does he cocklust for

Mostly Lantis, it's supposed to have been notable enough that they made him a (boyish) woman in the Latin American dub. Basically Uranus with a mecha.

>when I first saw Shinji in his white plug suit I thought he was a flat-chested girl with short hair.

Happens a lot, at least going by the complaints in /a/.
That's kinda what I meant by reverse trap. If Kurama, Shinji and Eagle look and sound like girls in boy clothes then it's like some sort of reverse trap trap.

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Now that we're talking about actors and their characters, it's only fair that I point out that Akira Ishidacharacters don't only tend to be canon gay but he also voices traps.
Fisheye, he did Fisheye, his girl voice is ridiculously convincing and now Kaworu by association has godtier trap potential.

check the voice samples: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyfH_tUABkg

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>>59885
Its too bad Xellos (Slayers) wasn't gay.

And Kappei Yamaguchi(also voiced that pink haired trap from Gravitation) why could't boy Ranma be a little gay so that he would like boys in his girl form.

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>>59885
Kaoru doesnt like a trap, Kaoru looks like nasty butch manly man version of Rei Ayanami.

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>>59898
Bitch, Kaworu is fabulous!
He looks just like Haruko from FCL, a Haruko without the tits.
If he looks like a shorthaired chick there’s no reason why he couldn’t use his canon skills as a cosmetologist and that sweet voice to be a successful trap.

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>>59896
Ranma 1/2 characters, LOL Akane Tendo and Seta Soujiro voiced by the same person.

Dude I am watching Ranma and every time I hear Nabiki Tendo talk its just creepy cause she sounds too much like Conan Edogawa (yeah I know their voiced by the same person).

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>>59902
The characters are all secretly a composite of their roles and therefore Akane was really Soujirou, he loves pigs and vice versa.

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>>59983
nice pic Fisheye lusting for Shinji (but in real life it would be straight since Ogata is female and Akira is male).

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Not as far as the characters go. At least not unless Shinji has the ability to turn into a magical girl.

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but he could, after all he is some how suppose to be Nadia.

Is there a fan art of Shinji of Blue Water?

about Fisheye I hope he is one of those lesbian fish the Wrasse (female turns male, not one of those Clownfish MTF), but some how still likes males.

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>>59983
how about Fisheye (Xellos and all bunch of other dudes) x Sailor Uranus(also is Shinji/Eagle Vision/Yukito/Kurama).

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>>59991

>suppose to be Nadia.
>Young Boy Become a Magical Girl

I’m okay with this. But only if it’s the manga version.
That’s the only Shinji bitchy enough to be a Nadia, plus since he’s more boyish than the other versions a Rule63’d result in a reverse trap.
Pretty sure Kaworu from the manga wouldn’t mind. But if fisheye found out it’s a reverse trap he’d be devastated.

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>Is there a fan art of Shinji of Blue Water?

Do you even need to ask?

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>>59995
thanks, More please, if you got that from pixiv send me a link, I got pixiv account.

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Too many to list.
If you want start by http://www.pixiv.net/member.php?id=1094944
http://www.pixiv.net/member.php?id=1205634
http://www.pixiv.net/member.php?id=1875058
http://www.pixiv.net/member.php?id=1936833
http://www.pixiv.net/member.php?id=1987225
http://www.pixiv.net/member.php?id=1205634
http://www.pixiv.net/member.php?id=1043117
http://www.pixiv.net/member.php?id=1529117
http://www.pixiv.net/member.php?id=3374208
http://www.pixiv.net/member.php?id=61146
but there's honestly too many to list. You might as well just look up his name.

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>Woman's voice

Wait,that's actually the guy who voiced Kaworu? For real? He doesn't sound like a guy at all.

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>Young Boy Become a Magical Girl
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Finally been translated in case if anyone's wondering.
http://strangecompanions.blogspot.com/2012/05/uniform-honey-english-evangelion.html

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>>62156
Needs moar Sailor-Fisheye

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ITT: Sailor Shinji

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Bump for more Shinji

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>>21601

>ugly boyish hair

Don't be dissin' short haircuts.

>>75850

Any more fanart of Shinji in these clothes?

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>>76937

To be fair, Shinji's hair does not suit a trap. There are traps with short haircuts that work, like Raichi Hoshimiya, Mako-chan and Chihiro Fujisaki, but Shinji is not one of them.

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>>76938

Shinji's hair looks perfectly fine to me. I know many people that have mistaken him for a girl, even wearing boys clothes.

Those characters hair are medium length actually.

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>A sort of delicate character. wanted a sort of clean image that a woman tends to project…A bishonen. In the beginning I gave Shinji longer hair, so in the dramatic scenes it could hide his face or wave in the breeze. But when I drew that, he looked a little too wild and so delicate the slightest pressure would break him. So finally I tried for a look where you could see the forehead through the bangs, shorter hair-the look of a boyish young girl. Speaking in concrete terms, his eyes are a girl's eyes

Apparently Shinji was too trappy so they gave his short hair which made him barely less trappy. He still looks like a girl, just with short hair.

Shinji was originally a girl too.

Anyway less chat, more fanart.

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Laughing cause Shinji became a Seed of life like Kaworu/Adam for Anima's end, his god name was "Eve" and the job requirement pretty much means birthing new life. http://archive.foolz.us/a/thread/87992863/#88006680 archive.foolz.us/a/thread/88956144/#88979417

If Anima really was the prequel to Rebuild, then that explains everything.

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Also, wide, childbearing hips and a tiny waist have become his canon design.

The poster they drew for that big Eva art exhibit makes him just as curvy as Asuka. I'd have sworn that was a short haired girl in the center If I didn't already know it was Shinji.

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His hips just keep on getting wider

Last edited 13/09/27(Fri)10:42.

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Relevant plugin, Shinji dressed like a slutty catgirl for the Newtype photospread

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A slutty catgirl getting perved on by Kaworu and Kaji.
& yeah, this the official pic

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Best girl?

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Best girl

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>>23677
does the link work for anyone?

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http://lightsrefrain.tumblr.com/post/66906108743/scanlation
http://lightsrefrain.tumblr.com/post/66906190422/r18-scanlation
Someone translated a couple of stories about Shinji and Manga!Kaworu being traps.

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Any stuff of trappy Shinji with Rei or Asuka?

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>>83458
He's girly enough that it just feels like girl on (dick)girl...

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And?

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>>83458
>>83466
Well if that's what you're into...
There's the stuff by circles like NSJ like this one where they dress both the manga and anime versions of Shinji in sluty girly outfits and then tag team them with the manga or anime versions of Kaworu and Mari or Asuka.

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Hearing people say "into that" for straight stuff is funny, especially since they're canon love interests. Alas I'm not into shota or loli and meant SFW stuff.

Anyway, we need more Shinji on Desuchan

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>>83520
Well as far as the manga and rebuild are concerned Kaworu is technically the only confirmed romantic interest... Sadamoto mentioned something about a K/S/R triangle, but he also said Karl hogged the sexual tension.

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>>83553

The manga is a completely different verse and Rebuild is complicated. If you watched the series you'd know Asuka is Shinji's main love interest

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>>83557
Lust interest, Kaworu still gets the romance and the person Shinji most wants to see for instrumentality.

Hence why five minutes later she's fuming over how Shinji's trying to use her as a rebound/second choice.

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looks liek lesbians whenever you stick him with another girl

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>>83561

And? He looks straight when paired with boys. That's how traps work

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>>83564
Unless the other boy also looks like a short haired chick
Then they just both look like lesbians.

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Kaoru is not trap material, in fact Kaoru is butch manly version of Rei.

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>>83801

>implying that Sadamoto didn't say his face is a composite of Rei/Shinji and Asukas
>implying that he didn't go on a funny tangent about everything he did to make Kaworu sexy, from his milky white skin to his sexy hips and his womanly face
>implying that Haruko isn't just Karl with a boob job

Rule of thumb, every pilot that lasts for more than five minutes is either a chick or looks just like one

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>>83853

Ignore that anon, they hate everything that's not super femme and gay

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Am I the only one who found his emotionally fragile, effeminate, closet case version from the manga appealing?

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Best

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I'd marry Shinji, dress or not.

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Angsty Shinji comic, yay~

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You are cordially invited...



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